卫生院来了三甲医生,竟然不会看病!

2017-11-12 梅松政 基层医师公社

十多年前,在9月里的一个赶集日,阴雨绵绵,某卫生院迎来某三甲医院专家团队的义诊。


十多年前,在9月里的一个赶集日,阴雨绵绵,某卫生院迎来某三甲医院专家团队的义诊。

其中,卫生院中医科门诊被作为该三甲医院一位职称为内分泌专家的主治医师的义诊室,该中医科门诊医生的任务就是在一旁观摩学习,同时为专家和病患之间“打杂”。    

辅助检查不能满足专家的义诊需求

该卫生院所在地气候潮湿,很多村民得了中医学所称的湿温病,表现为头晕乏力,肢困疲倦,食纳不佳等。前来义诊的村民大多数或多或少伴有这些症状,甚至好多以头晕为主诉就诊。     

该内分泌专家或许是专业意识较强原因吧,凡以头晕为主诉就诊病例,要么考虑颅脑是不是有问题,要么考虑是不是血糖有问题。

然而,卫生院那台清晰度不高的X摄片机无法满足排除颅脑问题的条件,并且当时还没有全面开展血糖监测,同样不能排除是否得了糖尿病

很多前来就诊的村民得到该专家的诊察结论是“到我们医院做了检查再说”。
    
一些肠道疾病或呼吸系统疾病患者“闯入”内分泌科义诊室,该专家认真询问病情后,要么开出胸部X摄片,要么开出血常规、尿常规、大便常规。那名卫生院中医科医生成了带领病人去拍X摄片,或做“三大常规”检查的“导医”。

其实,专家开出这些检查申请单的时候,卫生院中医科门诊医生就早有预感,“检查结果或许会让专家更茫然”。

果不其然,面对一批破旧机器和技术跟不上的辅助检查人员检查出来的辅助结果,专家显得一脸的茫然,似乎找不到病人处方的用药依据,只好跟病人说“先观察一段时间看,不行到我们医院来看”。    

专家和患者互相不理解

“我们这儿离专家的医院几百公里,怎么到那儿看得起病。”很多村民似乎不满意专家的诊断结论,“还不如我们乡下的医生,这些专家连药都不开一颗。”

而专家给出的诊断结论是:“你们这些地方是什么原因哦,那么多疑似血糖有问题、睡眠质量有问题的病人,连个血糖都不能监测,怎能诊断疾病?”  

三方茫然折射出基层诊疗困境

当天,来卫生院中医科门诊医生诊室义诊的内分泌科专家大约义诊了30人,只给几名症状明显的病人开了口服药,其余都“需要到医院检查才能确诊”。

义诊结束后,该专家坦言:“在基层看病真难,简单的辅助检查都不能做,同时病人似乎都不愿意做,根本没有确切诊断依据,怎能谈治疗?还有,很多专科药品都没有,不知道怎么开药,根本没法处方。”    

很多当天接受义诊的村民,后来来卫生院中医科诊病时,谈及专家义诊都这样说:“不知道那些专家怎么在农村来就是看不好病,他们似乎总是顾及这样,顾及那样的,很多专家离开机器就无法看病,连最起码的脉诊、脉搏都依赖机器。不像我们农村医生,什么科病都可看。”

当义诊专家们走后,卫生院的医生们似乎没有学到什么东西,甚至有的同事坦言:“就是走过场而已,我们基层医生与专科医生之间本身存在差距,短时间交流难找到‘共同语言’。”

一位在卫生院工作了25年的老医生说,“很多义诊或帮扶卫生院,都是流于形式,对卫生院职工来说,很难起到作用。”     

当义诊专家、病患、卫生院三方都在义诊活动中感觉茫然的时候,陪伴专家义诊一天的卫生院中医科医生感觉收获不少,一方面让他醒悟了专科医生与全科医生有着不同的生存价值、生存环境等;

另一方面让他认识到基层医疗机构基础设施跟不上,给医生带来的烦恼不少;再一方面就是,作为基层医生,必须一辈子都要学习再学习才行。
     
十多年过去的今天,乡镇卫生院在公共卫生方面投入加大,绝多数卫生院都能做血糖监测、心电图检查等项目,并且在一些地方已推行远程会诊系统建设,乡镇卫生院、村卫生室医生可以在诊室与上级医疗机构医生“面对面”会诊。

三甲医院专家到乡镇卫生院义诊还会遇到哪些麻烦呢?过去的困境,今天得到解决了吗?

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    基层确实缺少好的辅助检查设备

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    2017-11-13 1e0f8808m18(暂无匿称)

    水土不服.难以发挥专家优势

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    2017-11-13 飛歌

    学习了很有用不错

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    2017-11-13 jihuaijun1112

    学习学习学习

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    2017-11-12 天地飞扬

    谢谢分享!

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